80 - Our Favorite Ads from the Big Game

Rich: Okay, so I'm just going to get this right out of the way. I'm going to say Super Bowl, Super Bowl, Super Bowl, because we are, uh, this is editorial. We are not advertising. We're not claiming to sponsor it. We're not trying

Catelin: to infringe upon anyone's. We're reporting

Rich: on. So it's much like a headline that says who won the Super Bowl.

Catelin: So much journalistic integrity is going to come from me in the next 30 minutes. Of course.

Rich: Um, so what were our favorite ads from the big game, also known as the Super Bowl? Not the Super Cup, which was pitched in one of the ads as well.

Catelin: The Super Cup?

Rich: Yeah, so it was for Uber Eats. Um, we'll get to that. Um, so what were our favorites?

Rich: Mine and Caitlin's. Um, so full disclosure, I did not watch the game and I am grateful because it seemed horribly boring and awful. Um, it was,

Catelin: um, it was not a good, we were talking about this because I think we had some Chiefs haters, uh, from that division. We have some Bears fans in the office. And, uh, they were thrilled with the outcome, with the entire game, with the six, six sacks.

Catelin: Heh heh, that's funny. Uh, however, I was torn because I really, I love a, like a Taylor Travis moment. I also like sports history and trivia. So I'm like, Oh, it'd be so cool if that was like a thing, you know, the three feet happened, um, which is also like a copyrighted three feet. You can't say that without permission.

Catelin: Yeah, I think. Um, but then I also really, I like the eagles. I like their, their like. Gritty, team, community, um, Jalen Hurts has an all female management team, which I find very interesting and wonderful, um, Oh, I had him in

Rich: our, um, fantasy football thing He's just such

Catelin: a cutie. He's so cute. Mm

Rich: hmm.

Catelin: Like, ugh.

Catelin: Just a, yeah. I

Rich: mean, Josh Allen is too, but he's, Is he the Bill? No. Bill's? Josh Allen's the Bill's. Yes. Yes.

Catelin: Okay. Good job, sports!

Rich: Yay, me! Yay, sports! Yay, sports! All right.

Catelin: But then, um, I also was rooting for the Eagles because Cooper Dejean is from Iowa, just like a couple hours south, I think? He's from, uh, Idaho area.

Catelin: O A B C I G.

Rich: Yeah. Yeah. Uh, Odubal Arthur. Odubal is where he's from, I think. Yes. Yeah. And so it's, yeah.

Catelin: Um, but he, yeah. It's my stomping grounds. his little He wore his little like senior letterman jacket as part of his his entrance outfit. Isn't that so cute?

Rich: I know. It was his

Catelin: birthday. It was a whole thing.

Catelin: He and Sigmund Barclay have the same birthday. Wasn't he just like 22 or something? He's a baby. He's just a little baby. Of course. Um, and then some more like Eagles player trivia. My family, my mom is from the same area as Dallas Goddard, who was the tight end for the Eagles. Okay. And, um, so there's like lots of little regional excitement.

Rich: Okay. I just, when I, I don't care about either team. Yes. I know we live close to Kansas City. It doesn't matter to me. Yeah. Um, but for me, a game, like a close game is just always more exciting.

Catelin: Yeah, it wasn't fun to watch. And when it's like a runaway blowout, it's just like, it's

Rich: painful.

Catelin: Yeah, I just yeah, and that's the thing is like it was fun to watch because the Eagles were playing like lights out Like they just were on anyway.

Rich: Yeah,

Catelin: you didn't come you did not come to this podcast for sports commentary No, shall we talk about some super Sunday punch that you can make for your dad? So before we get to

Rich: those ads, we're gonna do this So warning disclosure on this as Caitlin gets into the ingredients in a minute This is meant for a party and large servings.

Rich: This is not meant for an individual at home while watching TV with their dogs. I mean, honestly, you could probably get through this. So, this came, you talked about the Bears. This comes from a Chicago bartender, Mike Ryan. I don't know where he, uh, bartends at. Um, but I'm not familiar with him. Um, who calls upon Two classic American spirits.

Rich: So there's bourbon, um, and apple brandy. Yes. Um, in this. And the bourbon is hundred proof bourbon. Dear God. Um.

Catelin: Well, good thing we are gonna start with 25 whole cloves, six cinnamon sticks, and a teaspoon of whole allspice. Sturdy. Again, this is for a crowd. This feels like a Thanksgiving

Rich: drink when family's coming over.

Catelin: Honestly, it does kind of feel, yeah, yes. Um, you want one 750 milliliter bottle of 100 proof bourbon, and one 750 milliliter bottle Laird's apple brandy. I do love an apple brandy. 25 ounces of ruby red grapefruit juice, spra Freshly squeezed, I feel like if you're making a punch like this. You can do, get a jar.

Catelin: Just get a, get the The

Rich: can or the plastic jug thing.

Catelin: Yeah. Yeah. Just get some simply grapefruit juice. Oh. And that's insane. You don't how many

Rich: grapefruits you have to squeeze for 25 ounces. That's like

Catelin: you would, it's a lot you would spend. That's like your life savings in grapefruits. Yeah, just don't do that.

Catelin: 25, sorry, Mike Ryan. We're not freshly squeezing 25 ounces of ruby red. He didn't squeeze. Mike had some barback or somebody who was doing it it for him. Okay. Next 25 ounces of honey. 10 ounces of sweet tea.

Rich: Where do you even get 25 ounces of honey? Like, that's a lot. I don't

Catelin: know. I think that's just like one bear, isn't it?

Rich: No, a bear's only like, isn't a bear only like 8 ounces or 16 ounces or 12 or something? That's a big

Catelin: bear.

Rich: Yeah. All right.

Catelin: You could probably also do like honey and simple if you wanted to not. Yeah, you could.

Rich: Cause I'm a, I'm a

Catelin: boozy bitch about the kind of honey that I use and I, it's like only raw from a specific farm.

Catelin: Here, locally, because it tastes like the honey that came from my grandparents. Anyway, uh, and you're gonna garnish this with an apple, cored and sliced. So wrap your cloves, cinnamon sticks, and allspice in cheesecloth, and tie into a bundle, and then just put in the punch bowl. So it's like a little, uh, uh, what?

Catelin: Yeah, it's so you don't

Rich: accidentally drink them later. Like, you don't want chunks of those things in there. Yeah,

Catelin: and then you're gonna add the remaining ingredients to your bowl, and stir thoroughly. I think you might need to stir the honey into some, like, I think you're going to need to not just put it all in a bowl with ice.

Catelin: Like, I feel

Rich: like an immersion blender is what I would use for this.

Catelin: Oh, maybe. Yeah. And we have one. But yeah, you just dump it in a bowl and then hope that it's all stirred up. Stir the crap out of it. Fill, fill with some ice cubes and garnish with your apple slices.

Rich: You could have some frozen apple slices and throw them in there as ice cubes.

Rich: Cute. That

Catelin: would be cute.

Rich: All

Catelin: right. Well. Or like whole frozen apples. If you cored the apple and just like doop.

Rich: So Super Sunday Punch likely served at the end you could bob

Catelin: for the apples if you really want to share your germs with the crowd.

Rich: No. Wow. Gross. No. I don't share food. You know this.

Catelin: I did know that.

Catelin: I

Rich: unwillingly

Catelin: share food.

Rich: Super Sunday

Catelin: Punch. What was your favorite? I have two. I have two favorites. Um, cause I, I was told to keep this brief, which as we know, it can be a struggle for me. So I have one, one like more serious or heartfelt and then I have one, I technically have two that like tied for fun.

Catelin: But I'm gonna spend a lot of time on the serious slash heart.

Rich: So I so I had two serious ones They love so I loved the Budweiser Clydesdales because I always love that and a little horse and everything,

Catelin: but I was not into it But it

Rich: wasn't one of my favorites Google with the all the feels got me. Yeah again at this one Can

Catelin: you give me the premise of this one?

Catelin: Cuz I felt the same way I remember I looked at I looked at my husband. I was like damn Google like ouch But I have since forgotten because I have watched a couple

Rich: more times. Wow, I'm trying to

Catelin: remember what

Rich: that was. It was the life of, it was his little girl. It was his whole life of his little girl.

Rich: Yeah. For this dude. So he was trying to apply for jobs. That's right. And he had a big gap because he was a stay at home dad raising his daughter. Yeah. And so the Google AI, which is Gemini is what it's called I believe, was helping him. Um, prep for his interview using his skills he learned like he used at home for, um, finding a job.

Rich: Um, and then the thing that really twisted it is at the end there was him holding his daughter. So he drops her off at college. And he's like in the car starting to cry and she's, she comes back and she hugs him and she's wearing like a blue hoodie and then it cuts back to when she was a little girl and he was holding her and she was wearing a blue

Catelin: hoodie.

Rich: That one got me, um, right, just stabbed me right in the heart.

Catelin: Yeah.

Rich: Um. Dads, man. I was not a fan of the Mountain Dew Seal ad at all, that just did not have to exist.

Catelin: So

Rich: fucking

Catelin: random and strange. I was like, that's weird and gross, but also it's funny. And it had it's own teaser

Rich: earlier on. It did? Yeah, it had a teaser ad.

Rich: Where it's just the the real seals like sort of making pitches in the song and the guy in the boat is like Should we bring in the big seal? And then like later on it's the whole ad with

Catelin: Not a fan.

Rich: Oh God, it just, I mean, I appreciate the thought that went into it.

Catelin: Yeah.

Rich: But my God, no. Um.

Catelin: I think, so I think to be, this is maybe speaking to the broader, like, celebrity approach that a lot of ads took.

Catelin: I think to be a successful celebrity ad, they have to know that it's a bit. And like, Seal, the human, committing to that bit, sold it for me. I mean, I don't know what they

Rich: had to pay him though, like, it must have been a lot.

Catelin: I don't know.

Rich: There's probably a few hundred thousand. Or maybe he was

Catelin: like, I'm gonna make all the royalties back on this, like, song when you play it.

Catelin: You know?

Rich: I don't know. I mean, it is better than them buying the, the, the lyrics and music and just having somebody else perform it who gets all those royalties from the ads. Um, Yeah.

Catelin: Anyway, I just, and I'd like, I think that was my problem kind of overall with like the Matt, Matthew McConaughey was everywhere for some reason, but he was like playing Matthew McConaughey and I'm like, if you take relief, just get like, whatever.

Catelin: It's also very confusing because he's like Uber Eats and also Salesforce and like he was the same. The Salesforce one was dumb though, like Salesforce

Rich: to handle that shit for me. Um, so the Uber Eats one was good because it plays like an NFL history, like Super Bowl history thing. And just the pun on all of the food and that like this whole event with the bowl and this one is Super Bowl lick.

Catelin: That it was like made to sell food or whatever. And I'm like, aww.

Rich: The cameos in that one got me. I was just sort of like, Oh, okay. This is really interesting. They got a lot of people to do fun stuff. And then Martha Stewart with the salad and the cackle, like you're played in a stadium named after. She goes, that's great.

Rich: Um, what'd you think of the Hellman's Meg Ryan and Billy Crystal? Redoing.

Catelin: So I, again, like committed to the bit. I feel like that bit has maybe been done. But that's just me. The youths had no idea we were talking about it at lunch. And Megan was like, I just did not get why it was like overly sexual about Mayo.

Catelin: And I was like, well, that was a callback. And so then I had to like explain the whole movie of when Harry met Sally. And I was like,

Rich: Like, when you have to watch a movie to understand the ad, like.

Catelin: But there's, there's a subset of people probably like, like, and I'm probably right on the cusp of when. Oh, I'm right in the

Rich: middle of it.

Rich: Like I am dead on where that is. Yeah.

Catelin: So, you know, like mid thirties to fifties where like they know that reference, like the sweater is a reference and the diner.

Rich: The woman in the background, she wasn't the one that said, I'll have what she's having, but wasn't like they cut to her. Isn't that Billy Crystal's mom?

Rich: And is she still alive? I thought it was either the same woman or it was somebody they like got to look like her. She's not the one. So in the movie, she's the one that says, I'll have what she's having.

Catelin: Sydnee Sweeney was the one that was like, I'll have what she's having. Yeah. And she's like a idea. But before

Rich: they do that over Billy Crystal's shoulder in the background is the woman from the movie who said, I have Oh, what she's having.

Rich: And so for me it was just a big miss in like, okay, why didn't they have her? Like, like just, just do it. Do the bit.

Catelin: Yeah.

Rich: Yeah. So we're kind of going in a different direction, but we'll get to your favorites, your others, and I may touch on it. So celebrities doing bits versus celebrities being themselves.

Rich: So we got the Matt Damon, uh, David Beckham, which is a half and half. David Beckham being himself, but Matt Damon is his twin brother, who I missed

Catelin: that one.

Rich: Oh, yeah, so it's his twin brother who was, um, the his family sent him to America. Um, It was for Stella Artois. Um, and so David Beckham goes to find him and they're like, cause he's like, what did you name him?

Rich: And they're like, other David. And they're like, well, if you've got two kids named David, one's gotta be the other David. And so he goes and finds him and, um, Matt Damon is, he goes by Dave, he's Dave Beckham and he's having a party and they're having wings and he explains like wings being from buffalo and he's like, so you're not eating buffalo.

Rich: No, they're just from buff, like all of that. But so Matt Damon playing that. And at the end, um, he's like, so are you famous? Like, are you Matt Damon famous? And he's like, no, I'm more Ben Affleck famous. And he goes, that's a shame. And it was hilarious. And then they follow that right up with Ben and Casey Affleck doing a Dunkin Donuts commercial as themselves.

Rich: And then they got another actor and at the end Casey's like, we should have got Damon. I appreciate those. I don't think their stellar commercials are phenomenal, but they're entertaining. They're 30 to 60 seconds of entertainment.

Catelin: I didn't enjoy the Dunkin Donuts one because I kept having, like, I had, I kept being pulled out of it to be like, who's that person?

Catelin: And who's that person? Like they had all of these cameos, but I was like, am I either too old or like not aware of pop culture enough to know who these people are? It was, that was, that was tough for me. Yeah,

Rich: I do get that. And then, like,

Catelin: Bill Belichick's daughter girlfriend. Blech.

Rich: Ah. Gross. It's too much. So what was your, what was your favorite?

Catelin: Okay. I feel like I need to preface this by saying that, oh god,

Rich: no. That was awful.

Catelin: It was. I didn't, I was like, why is he throwing computers at people? That feels dangerous. So I, there were so many moments. Where I feel like companies miss the mark a little bit of like the, the, um, social tone of things right now.

Catelin: Like there were some like preachy moments and some things of like, is this really the place for that? And, um, like the, I'm a, I am a customer of him's and hers, right? So like actual target audience. And they're talking about how, like, our food system is fucked up, and, you know, pharma like, pharmaceuticals are hard to access and expensive, and I'm like, yeah, this event is all capitalism, which is, like, the root of all the problems you're talking about.

Catelin: You're participating in it. And I'm like, you, you spent four million dollars, and, like, I could have done so many other things with the 4, 000, 000.

Rich: And they could have, they were okay with the body positivity piece of the ad.

Catelin: Mm hmm.

Rich: Like that was all fine and like stick to that and that I can get a GLP one for cheap with you.

Rich: Like that's all fine. It's not really that cheap. I know. Yeah. But cheaper than.

Catelin: Yeah, it's, it's um, easier than going through your health insurance. Like pre authorization. But um, but yeah,

Rich: like they just, sometimes they do go too far. Like it's almost like. They had a singular message and I could see this happening.

Rich: And if the agency had the singular message of like, we're going to talk about body positivity, like all bodies are beautiful, but if you want yours to be different, you can take control of that yourself. We'll make you access that. And then somebody was like, I think we need to talk about pharmaceutical companies being bad in this as well.

Rich: And so he's like, why don't we talk about like food is the reason these people are fat. It's not their point. And, and they're just like, and somebody's going, Oh my God, no, we had one message. And now we've got six messages.

Catelin: It just wasn't even that the, because the message landed, right? Like I believe all of the things that they were talking about, but I was like, this, this avenue that you are presenting your message,

Rich: this venue, yeah, this is like,

Catelin: this isn't the, like, it's so antithetical to the entire premise of the super bowl that it doesn't, it did not connect.

Catelin: There were a

Rich: couple like that where I was like, You didn't have non GMO nachos at your house? Uh, no. Tofu wings?

Catelin: We had popcorn that Dorothy was eating out of like a cat. Was it Jolly Time? Yes. We're a crisp white family.

Rich: Oh, wow. Okay. I mean, if somebody asked me, what do you know about Caitlin's family, I'd say they're crisp and white.

Catelin: Crisp whites. No, I like the, I like the white corn as opposed to a yellow corn. I feel like it's, the texture is better. This is a hill I will die on. Also, oil popped. White

Rich: corn, 100%. I agree with you 100%. Yes. So, what about, how do you feel about eyebrows and mustaches, the flying hair? Who won?

Catelin: Um, if I was gonna choose one, I liked the, um, the premise of the Pringles one a little bit.

Catelin: No, the, yeah, the,

Rich: the mustache,

Catelin: right?

Rich: Well, and I love a good Nick Offerman moment.

Catelin: Yeah, and that's really what did it for me, because, again, committed to the bit. Like, if anybody's gonna commit, it's Nick Offerman.

Rich: I mean, I love a good Eugene Levy moment, too. But also,

Catelin: like, was it the same? It seemed like it was the same AI hair.

Catelin: Like, they just

Rich: Like the same agency did and they're like, we paid all this money for this flying AI hair, we're gonna put it over here.

Catelin: We might as well just reuse it. It wasn't my favorite. Okay, so my, my joyful favorite, it was a tie between Seal, which we've already discussed, and the, and the, the Michelob Ultra Pickleball.

Catelin: Because that is like the perfect case of knowing your audience, committing to the, the hilarity, and then, like, leaning into a pop culture moment, right? Because, like, people who drink Michelob Ultra

Rich: Yep.

Catelin: Like, that's my mom's beer and you better be ready if you're gonna come at Carol Hoystead on the pickleball court.

Catelin: Like, the crossover was, she was the immediate target

Rich: audience. Is she a Moira Rose fan?

Catelin: Uh, I don't think so.

Rich: Not a Schitt's Creek audience, but is she a like like, uh, um, the like best in show in some of those? Did she see any of those? No, I don't think so.

Catelin: Beetlejuice.

Rich: Eww, I don't think so.

Catelin: We, um, we were not like a pop, we were not like a pop culture.

Catelin: This, this is a separate discussion where like there's a, there's a void in my like movie knowledge. Because that was not part of my, like, childhood. So, you need

Rich: to have a millennial gay on your trivia team then, because they will know all the things about those that you don't know.

Catelin: Probably. Yeah. But honestly, like, Tyrell watched enough of that stuff that he's just my Oh, that's true.

Catelin: He's my trivia partner for a millennial gay. Yeah.

Rich: I mean, he's not gay, but almost. A lot of people thought he

Catelin: was for a long

Rich: time. They thought gay Black man.

Catelin: Yeah. So I just, I loved the, I loved the Mick Ultra one because like I said, it was, it was, they knew their audience, they, they committed, um, and it was fun.

Catelin: Like I, I would watch Catherine O'Hara like do literally anything. She's spectacular. Same, same. She

Rich: could just come to my house and hang out and, I don't know, eat prosciutto. It would be hilarious. Yep, yep. Okay, so you're gonna hate me for this, but you love to seal things, so I'm all in. The one that made me laugh out loud, I don't think it was a great ad, but again, committing to the bit.

Rich: The Taco Bell Doja Cat. So they were teasing that they were, um,

Catelin: I like didn't, I missed the beginning of, I think I was like solving another crisis for my tiny child.

Rich: Yeah, so they were teasing that they're going to have real people from their drive thru cameras in their ads.

Catelin: Yes, okay. Um, and

Rich: Doja Cat kept popping in.

Rich: And the woman in the drive through window, who, complete unknown actress, just like an extra, just screaming at her and berating her, and be like, Ms. Cat, I told you no, you've gotta go. Like, just really, like, over the top committing to, like, like teenagers were vandalizing the drive thru, like, trying to get Doja Cat out of there.

Rich: Can I tell

Catelin: you a story one time? I got kicked out of a Taco Bell drive thru once.

Rich: What did you do?

Catelin: I didn't do anything.

Rich: Were you walking?

Catelin: No, we pulled up and we said just a minute and then the guy was like, order when you're ready. And my friend was like, just a minute, please. And he's like, that's it get out of my drive thru.

Catelin: So then I called, I was in college, like I just graduated college. So then I called that Taco Bell's manager and got so many coupons. So it makes me sound really cool where I was like, Oh, I was such a bad, I was like, I kicked out of the drive thru, but then I was like, I'm going to get so many fucking churros from you.

Catelin: You don't even know, not churros, cinnamon twists, churros is Taco John's. Yeah, that's how bad I'm not good at being hardcore.

Rich: I had a Runza burger delivery that was awful. So I took a picture of it and this is back when I was still tweeting, um, and they replied and wanted to like, take it private. And I got like eight free meals from them, but the burger was awful.

Rich: Like I had ordered like one of the deluxe like bacon burgers and I got it and like the bun, it was a bun, a burger, like half a pickle and the top bun and that was it. There was nothing else on the, on the burger. And I was like, I feel like this is like the worst burger I've ever seen in my life. And I love Runza's burgers.

Rich: I hate a Runza cause I don't like cooked cabbage. But, um, I love their burgers and fries. I like the buns. Um, so yeah. I mean, have we kind of done it with Hellman's Sex, the Lime Mountain Dew with Seal and Sharks and Orcas? I wanna, I need, I have one more

Catelin: Soapbox moment because my favorite serious or like touching poignant commercial was the Nike You Can't Win.

Catelin: Oh, I missed that one. Um, oh gosh. It's, I've watched it like three or four times. It's so good. Also features an Iowa superstar, Katelyn Clark. Mhm. Um, So it was, did you see? Yeah, I was like, you had to have seen this. It's the first Super Bowl ad they've done in a long time too, which I thought was really interesting.

Catelin: Um, so again, the caveat is, Nike is a company who is trying to capitalize on a moment where women are feeling underrepresented, undervalued, underappreciated. Uh, right, so we're like, fighting the patriarchy. That said Nike also has a history of undervaluing female athletes and then, um, removing them from their contracts.

Catelin: Alison Felix is a perfect example of Um, she was, she was devalued, basically, when she was pregnant, and then they weren't sure if they were gonna renew her contract, and so she was like, Okay, see you later, Nike, and went to, uh, a female owned brand. That said, the commercial was beautiful, the message was fantastic, like, legitimately, um, the, the end tagline is, You can't win, so win, and it's all about, like, you can't be emotional, but you have to, um, be emotional, and you can't, Uh, you know, you can't be tough, but you have to be tough and you can't be the, like all of the, the paradigms of being a woman in sports.

Catelin: And um, so the, the idea that you can't win is so true. I also just have to say like corporations are not going to save us. So like, yes, it's a great message. It's a great, it's like, it's a great message. It was a fantastic ad. And

Rich: Walmart's not coming to your rescue.

Catelin: That's a hundred percent it Like, like Nike's main goal out of that message was to make money from women.

Catelin: So Yeah.

Rich: To sell more things to women. Yeah. Yeah. And to be a brand that they can relate to. Yes. That's, which is fine. I mean, it's so great to put that message out there. Yes. But yeah, that is at the end of the day, what they want.

Catelin: And the idea, like, uh, yes, there's, and this is like more, again, like, sociopolitical commentary where we're relying on corporations to do the work of government and society when in reality that is not their function.

Catelin: But that is a story for a different podcast. That's a whole other

Rich: episode. We're just talking about when Harry Met even think it's another

Catelin: episode. I think it's a different podcast. I think it is a different podcast. I think that

Rich: podcast is out there and maybe you should be a guest on that one.

Catelin: I would love nothing more.

Catelin: I have so many opinions. Please, won't someone tap into them?

Rich: All right. Fair, fair.

Catelin: Thank you, as always, for listening. Um, you want to talk about what we've got coming up and then we'll, I'll close us out.

Rich: Sure. Yeah. So, um, coming up, we have a wonderful episode. We do these when we get interns, uh, and so we're doing our spring intern view for 2025.

Rich: We love our little baby interns. They're so good. Yeah. And we'll talk and we'll plug a little bit more about our 71shirts. com. Yes. All right. E commerce business that they run. Like we don't run it. Yes. I keep it up just by paying the bills and, you know, doing some technical stuff.

Catelin: But they're in charge.

Catelin: Yeah, they're

Rich: in charge. They figure out the design and all that stuff. So beautiful shirts. And um, I believe there'll be some news about new shirts coming too.

Catelin: Yeah.

Rich: That's usually one of the things that happens. We'll hear more

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Rich: And Zach works remotely, so he would really love voicemails from you so that he can have some human contact.

Rich: Zach just wants to talk to

Catelin: any human.

Rich: He won't answer the phone. He might call you back, who knows, but he, um, he wants voicemails, so. All right. We'll see you next

Catelin: time.