81 - Intern(View) Spring 2025

Rich: So today we're going to talk about our spring 2025 internship, and we do have Miriam here who is our design intern. I know,

Catelin: I'm so excited.

Rich: And so, um, yeah, we'll see kind of where things are going with her, what's up. She's been here like, you know, a hot minute.

Catelin: Two or three weeks? I don't know. Something like that.

Catelin: Time is a social construct. It doesn't make any sense to me. I don't know. I always

Rich: feel like internships are really hard to like. Right. Because you're like thrown into a thing and you've got to like ramp up and then by the time you're. You know what you're doing, you're like out the door, like you're done.

Rich: Bye!

Catelin: Yeah. I don't think I did any like actual internships in college now that I'm thinking about it. So

Rich: I did not. So I worked in the, um, public affairs office. Um, and so that counted for part credit and part pay. So it was work study and, um, it was an independent study, I think, not really an internship, um, because At the time, the college didn't have a PR program at all, and so that was how I kind of did my PR work and learned all that, so I cranked out, uh, press releases on students visiting the campus, and I was gonna

Catelin: say, just press releases left and right.

Rich: Yep. And, um, professors doing things, getting grants, you know, studying or going somewhere like,

Catelin: it was

Rich: wild. Um, and really fun. Way back in the 90s. Yeah. I mean, I didn't have to use a typewriter. We did use computers. So that was nice.

Catelin: Was it just like the green Mac? Um, it wasn't a Mac,

Rich: so it was a centralized, like it was one of those dumb terminals and then everything was centralized in the IT space on one of those giant computers.

Catelin: I don't know what that means. Like the

Rich: size of a car or a house. Um, but now we have itty bitty computers that we keep in our pockets and walk around with all day.

Catelin: On our wrist. They're way more powerful than that

Rich: stupid thing that I used to work on.

Catelin: You know what I was doing in college was drinking a lot of lemonade.

Catelin: Mine was not Brazilian, though. It was usually UV blue and lemonade. Not a good, I wouldn't recommend that. That's not

Rich: a I do think this sounds interesting. So it's, it's interesting because The concept of a lemon in most of Central and South America just doesn't really exist because a lemon is just a lime that had a cold snap.

Rich: Okay. Did you know that? I didn't. That's why the further north you go, you get actual yellow lemons versus limes. Um, so it's just a lemon. I was going to do

Catelin: a little tongue twister for you, but it's leather, not red leather, yellow leather. That's a vocal warm up. But I was thinking of like red lemon, yellow lemon, but there's no such thing as a red

Rich: lemon.

Rich: green lemon, yellow lemon. Green

Catelin: lemon, yellow lemon.

Rich: So yeah, so Brazilian lemonade, even though it's called lemonade, you just gotta take off your, like, American hat that'll line with a lemon or two different things. It's made with limes, which is, uh, I think I'm pronouncing this right, but limau

Catelin: in Portuguese.

Catelin: Yeah, I don't speak Portuguese. I barely speak Spanish anymore. L I M A with a

Rich: tilde and an O. I'm used to the N with a tilde. I don't know what the A. Um, but typically that refers to limes rather than lemons. I do think, believe that it can refer to both because I know in Mexican Spanish limón it's like lima limón.

Catelin: Like they have, uh, like I don't know. Yeah.

Rich: Um, there's also, I was reading, there's some people call them a limon verde and I'm like, nobody calls it that. I've never heard that before in my life. Who says

Catelin: that? Oh, I mean,

Rich: I don't know. Green lemon? Like that sounds like an unripe lemon. Anyway, so, uh, this originated in a place in Brazil that I'm not going to try to pronounce.

Rich: Uh, and there was a street vendor who was doing it. So it's a refreshing drink. It is non alcoholic, as typically our intern, uh, drinks are. However, did learn Miriam is over 21. Yeah. I feel

Catelin: like you could put a little like rum in this. A

Rich: hundred percent. If you wanted to. You know me. Um, yeah. I mean, throw a little rum in it.

Rich: If you,

Catelin: if you wanted, I'm pretty sure it's cachaça is like a Brazilian. No, it's not Brazilian. Argentinian. I'm going to have to look that up. There's a, like a fermented sugarcane spirit that comes from South America. I think one, it's Brazil.

Rich: They have one in Brazil too. Yeah. Um, it's, gosh, what is it? Anyway, anyway, it isn't, you could add cina ist what's in the cina Cina.

Rich: Yes.

Catelin: Yes. Um, where, so I think you could

Rich: put that in, in here. But so yeah. So this is really wild. Um,

Catelin: no, it's

Rich: Brazil.

Catelin: Okay. I was right. Yeah. We want KAA

Rich: Brazil. Yeah. I got, oh my gosh, in Corpus Christi, Texas, I got so wasted on caps once. There's a work thing, like it was really bad. We shouldn't. Um, not a work thing for us.

Rich: Like that wouldn't be that big of a deal, but, um, well.

Catelin: Do you want to hear about what's in a Brazilian lemonade?

Rich: I would love to. And what makes it different aside from the limes? Because there's a twist here that I was like, oh, wasn't expecting that.

Catelin: Yes. So you need five limes or four if they're large. I don't know what, like which.

Catelin: Stop me when I get to large limes. I don't know. I have no idea. I mean, is it like a golf ball or like potato

Rich: size? I don't know. Oh, I made hearts.

Catelin: That's cute. I love limes

Rich: too.

Catelin: Uh, so five or four limes. Just do five. Depending on what you think. Um, plus some wheels for serving if you are into a garnish.

Catelin: Three and one quarter cups cold water, three cups of ice, and one fourteen ounce. I like that we have a quantification on the can, a 14 ounce can of sweetened condensed milk, but no idea what size of limes we need. Lightly scrub your limes, rinse and pat dry, and then you're gonna cut, I, it took me a second to figure this out.

Catelin: So you're gonna cut off the ends of the limes and then quarter that. Um, so you're taking off like the, the extremely hard ends. The little bumpy piece. Yes. The nipples. The lime's

Rich: nipples.

Catelin: I think it'd be like the stem and flower, but, you know, go with what you feel. And then, um, once you do that, take out the, like, the, the really intense, um, what was the word you called it?

Rich: Pith?

Catelin: Pith. Yes. Except I think pith is the white part between the peel and the flesh, but this is like that string. I think

Rich: it's that step that goes down the middle of it that's like, uh, uh, uh.

Catelin: Take that out. Anyway, transfer the rest of the lime, so peeling and all, into a blender, yes. Add cold water. Blend until mostly smooth and combined, which is about a minute.

Catelin: I feel like that minute could vary based on your blender. Uh, just, you know, depending. Strain through a fine mesh sieve and discard the pulp and wipe out the blender. That's an extra step. I don't know. Just rinse. Oh, because you've got to return the

Rich: lime juice to the blender. Yes. You don't want all those chunks in it.

Catelin: Yeah. Yep. Just rinse it out. Honestly. I'm not using, I'm not using a rag. So put your lime juice back in a blender. Add the sweetened condensed milk and ice and then blend to your desired consistency. Divide among glasses and garnish with a lime wheel.

Rich: I do agree that this would be a good rum drink.

Catelin: Yeah.

Rich: Absolutely. Yeah,

Catelin: yep. Um,

Rich: and I also think like, if you really want it to be frosty, add more ice. It's fine. We don't know the size of the limes. Three cups of ice, four cups of ice, whatever. You could put

Catelin: twelve limes in here if you really like a lime. Oh, that might be a lot. measure with your heart. It also probably depends on how big your blender is, how many people you're sharing with.

Rich: So it's going to be like, it's

Catelin: going to be

Rich: like green milk, right? Because the lime peel is in there, so you're going to get that green color.

Catelin: Yeah.

Rich: I think we should do these on St. Patrick's Day and put whiskey in them.

Catelin: No.

Rich: I wouldn't. Okay. I would.

Catelin: No.

Rich: Rum. We'll just do rum.

Catelin: I like whiskey with, it's like giving, it's making.

Catelin: All right.

Rich: Well, I think this is a good one. This is from delish. com. Yes. So de lish.

Catelin: Yeah. You have to say it like

Rich: that too. Yes. I always do. Brazilian lemonade. It's interesting. Like every time I hear anything that's like starts with Brazilian, I'm like, where are we going with this?

Catelin: I get a little bit.

Rich: Like there's so many, butt lift.

Rich: Like, what are we doing?

Catelin: Yeah, wax. My

Rich: sister got accused of getting a Brazilian butt lift. She did not. It was just she had counterbalance weight.

Miriam: A

Rich: Brazilian butt lift? It's where they like It's like a breast augmentation, but for your butt, they like, and they, so you get this big round out there. Yeah,

Catelin: like a, like a juicy booty.

Catelin: Okay.

Rich: Yeah, but no, she just, um, when she had her first kid, uh, my niece, um,

Catelin: Is she okay with you disclosing this to our friends of listeners? Sure. Sure. Okay.

Rich: Of course. Um, but she was always super skinny. I mean, she still is, but when she got the belly, like she had, it's skinny people always do it. Oh, she like balanced out.

Rich: The big belly, she needed a counterbalance and her body just gave her a booty. And then when she lost her baby weight and stuff, uh, her booty never went away and she's like, I don't mind. It's

Catelin: fine. Yeah, it's very in right now, I think. Yeah. Bodies are, that's fine. So yeah, so this is not a Brazilian butt lift.

Catelin: It's a

Rich: Brazilian lemonade, which you can drink maybe while you're having a Brazilian butt lift. I don't know. I think you're out maybe when they do that. I was like, I think

Catelin: they generally frown upon eating or drinking before general anesthesia. That's true. Should we talk to Miriam?

Rich: Yeah, let's do that.

Rich: That's enough. Let's take a break and come back and talk to Miriam.

Rich: Our countdown is done. We're in. We're back.

Catelin: Ta da! Hi, Miriam! We've got Miriam! Thank you for, thank you for agreeing to, uh, subject yourself to this specific kind of interrogation wherein we're going to put it out on the internet. All of your answers will be recorded for posterity forever. Of course.

Rich: Um, so who are you?

Rich: What are you doing here? What are you studying? What's going on?

Miriam: Tell us all about Miriam. I'm Miriam Moore. I'm a senior at Morningside, currently, um, so I'm graduating this year, hopefully. Oh, wow. Yeah, um. Hopefully? Hopefully. If I pass all my classes. I was like, do we need to talk about

Catelin: that? I mean, are we worried about this?

Catelin: Is

Rich: this a concern? So far, so good. Not yet. Okay.

Catelin: I was like, that doesn't strike me as something you would be worried about, based on your Current work ethic so far, but, you know, maybe you've got like a weird chemistry requirement or something. That sounds terrible. No, just, just a full schedule.

Rich: I took your environment and you as my science with a lab.

Rich: I don't know if they still have it. It used to be called environment and man. And when I was in school, they changed it to your environment and you because they didn't want it to be sexist. Um, but yeah, so we just did like fun stuff and like got river samples, water samples, looked at them in a microscope and it was very nice, but no chemistry, no biology.

Catelin: They asked for a telescope yesterday. Because we could see the moon out one of our windows like during the day and she's like, can we get a telescope? And I was like, why do you know what a telescope is? But yeah, sure. That sounds great. Anyway. You know,

Rich: fun fact, um, the Bettendorf High School is the only high school, I think, in the, not probably in the country, it's the only high school in Iowa that has an observatory.

Rich: They got a full observatory, and the school won't keep trying to shut it down. And they're keep, well, because we were in Bettendorf, dropping Brian's mom off, and he kept being like, I was like, there's only three streets that matter in Bettendorf, and that's it, because we were only on those three streets, and then he's like, well, this is 18th Street.

Rich: If you take that, it goes to the high school. And I'm like, Doesn't matter. I'm not going to the high school. And then he had to tell me the history of like the telescope and observatory and everything. Anyway, so you're a design student. Have you

Miriam: ever used a telescope? One of those small ones,

Catelin: like the

Miriam: collapsible ones.

Catelin: Oh, okay. Oh, you can like barely see the moon. Okay, I was like, could you send me some recommendations for my four year old? Cause that sounds like right up our alley.

Rich: I think it's like the pirate, like

Catelin: Oh

Rich: God. Shi.

Catelin: Yes, exactly. That's more of a, is that a telescope or is that a, I thought that had a different name.

Catelin: It probably has, I don't know. Has a different name. No, I'm thinking a Periscope. Oh. Oh yeah. That's a submarine. That's

Rich: a up, and that's a whole different thing. Yeah. I could see Dorothy as a Submariner or as a pirate. I think she would excel at both of those career podcast paths. Pirate Witch.

Catelin: Pirate Witch.

Catelin: Yep. Yep. She's a witch. Okay. We can talk about it later. We're, that's what should be Witch for Pirate. Witch. Pirate Witch. Yes. Instead, what are you being forced by, well, social constructs to

Miriam: study? Um, graphic design and history. Okay. Yeah. Yep. Like history, history. Yes. Not art history, just history, history.

Miriam: Yes. Um, well I have a graphic design and history double major and then I'm minoring in studio art and art history. So full, full schedule.

Catelin: Wow. Yep. How do you, how does one choose those things? Like what appeals to you about those avenues?

Miriam: When I started at Morningside, I was just graphic design and that's it.

Miriam: Um, and then I realized pretty early on that that leaves a lot of room in my schedule. Um, so I just decided to add something that I actually like to study. Um, because I figured I might as well learn something while I'm at school, you know?

Rich: So you're a history buff?

Catelin: Yes. Can you, I'm going to put you on the spot, will you just tell me like, like your favorite part of history?

Catelin: Like, do you have like an era, like, oh gosh, like a favorite time?

Miriam: Medieval Europe. That's my thing. Oh, wow. Like the plague and shit? Yeah, exactly. The plague and

Rich: shit. That's exactly how they described it back then. Oh, he's got a plague and shit.

Catelin: Honestly, like, that time seems miserable. Like, everyone just seems miserable.

Catelin: Like, they all had lead poisoning. They were just, like, dying of, like, easy to cure now things, right? Like, shit is, like, running through the water. It just, like, yeah, it just, all of it sounds miserable. Everything is dirty. I would not want to be alive at that time,

Miriam: uh, but looking back, I like the aesthetics, I like the art from that time.

Miriam: I like the, um, the typography. Because they were all trying to

Catelin: escape, they were like, look at how beautiful this is, don't look over there. Stress and

Rich: strife create great art, like that's true. So true. So I learned, I've been watching Pop Culture Jeopardy, which I highly recommend, but I learned, so you talk about things that are going to kill you, so in the original Wizard of Oz, When they're all laying in the poppy field and it snows on them, the snow is asbestos Yeah, that's asbestos.

Rich: Yeah. Oh. Which, again, you know, just inhale a little bit and it'll be fine. And there was, um, I

Catelin: think it was nickel in the original Tin Man paint. Mm. And so, like, the original Tin Man actor almost died because he had a nickel allergy. No. And so they had to, like, hi they hired a new guy who wasn't allergic to the, like, bracken toxic paint Yeah.

Catelin: Which they were covering. His body in. Oh, that's horrible.

Rich: Yeah. I also, I watched Gladiator 2. So, the whole Roman Empire for me is fascinating. Like how big it got, way too big for their britches and how they eventually just like fell apart. But the technology like, you know, that they had like with clean water and the way they, you know, used the aqueducts and the road system and all of that.

Rich: Um, anyway, I digress.

Catelin: That was a, I would like to talk more about medieval Europe. What's it, is there any appeal in like the. The head chopping or is that not that's not really on the radar for you?

Rich: I

Catelin: mean, I can

Rich: give you

Catelin: a list of Marie Antoinette moment Or is that

Miriam: when I think about the the guillotine I think more more so like French Revolution.

Miriam: Yeah Yes. Yeah, that's a little bit after my dad to is that later? Okay, that's that's modern But what they did do did not study history. So they burned the witches

Catelin: I'm just hopeful that when that happens again, I am on a pyre with like my friends so we can at least just like tell raunchy jokes while we're being, you know.

Miriam: You might as well. So. Yep. Make a night of it. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. YOLO. Am I right?

Rich: Speaking of making a night of it, as you know, probably by now, we love to eat. I'm trying, Zach. I'm trying real hard. Uh, we love to eat, and I'm not 71, so what is your favorite place to eat in Sioux City?

Catelin: We

Rich: will judge you based on this answer.

Rich: You're like

Catelin: born and raised in Sioux City, or raised? No, I'm, uh, not from here that's right, that's right. Oh, okay. Okay, because I was thinking because your mom works at the college, but I forgot that you, like, lived abroad and you, like, all of these things, right? I've

Miriam: lived, like, everywhere.

Catelin: Yeah.

Miriam: So, yeah. But, um, my favorite place to eat in Sioux City would have to be De Leon's.

Miriam: I think the Mexican food here is like probably the best in the, in the country.

Rich: Okay. I'm gonna, I'm gonna let that slide. I lived in San Diego for a long time and like, I mean, so Mexican food is different, right? Like our Mexican food here is, it's like what I grew up on, you know, like street tacos and all that.

Rich: But like, I mean, the street tacos are kind of a new thing in the Midwest though. Like, when I was growing up, there weren't street tacos, nobody had those. That was definitely a Southwest thing, a Mexico thing.

Catelin: Was La Bonita open when you were?

Rich: Mm mm. No, I'm old, remember? I'm super old.

Catelin: Well, I, they're also, I mean, they've been here for a long time, but.

Rich: Yeah, not since the 70s.

Catelin: Fair enough. Which, okay, what do you get at De Leon's? What are you, what are we eating there?

Miriam: Um, carne asada taco. Okay. That's a good one though, Karni

Rich: Asada is not basic, Karni Asada is a wonderful, wonderful, wonderful peep.

Miriam: It's a classic, like you can't go wrong with it. Uh huh. If it's done well, yeah.

Rich: Yes, not well done, done well.

Miriam: Yes.

Rich: Little stick joke for everybody there.

Catelin: I'm, I'm curious, uh, How, since you're not born and raised in Sioux City, as we have just established, how did you find this internship? What drew you to it? Like what are you hoping to, to glean from your time with us? All of those things.

Catelin: That's a lot of questions I

Miriam: have. Well, um. I heard about this internship, actually when it first started, when you guys launched it, I heard about it through Shelby Printable, my advisor, and I think there was, um, there, I think it might have been you, Rich, you came in and did like a presentation, um, about the internship to A couple of graphic design students.

Miriam: This was back in two thousand twenty two, maybe.

Rich: Maybe. Was that me or was that you, Zach? When did you go present this thing? It might have been me.

Miriam: It was like right at the beginning though. Um, like right when you guys announced it. Um, and I was a freshman at the time so I didn't like even think about applying.

Rich: Oh, yeah. But,

Miriam: uh, I've kept an eye on this internship for, for this whole time that I've been at Morningside. Um, and just like somehow never got around to applying until. Till the semester and here I am.

Rich: Nice. Um, and for those, uh, who are not familiar, it is actually running a t shirt shop. So you're doing all the design, uh, adjusting things.

Rich: You're probably going to, I think you're going to replace some t shirts, maybe give some new t shirt designs, freshen up the inventory. Uh, and so you can buy the shirts, 71shirts. com is what it is, 71shirts. com.

Catelin: They're very

Rich: soft. They're really nice. I love mine. I've got three.

Catelin: Are you wearing one right now?

Rich: Four. No, this is a woven.

Catelin: Okay.

Rich: Um, no, I had it on the other day. Like I've only got one that I kind of wear. I've spilled wine on one. I spilled hot chocolate on another one. I've been a mess. Um, so I just need to get the dark Navy ones and then I don't have to worry about it. Uh, but yeah, so it's really good.

Rich: So there's usually a digital intern doing like the digital media and running the business side and then a design intern, uh, updating the website. You know, you can read to the look and feel, cause it's really kind of, we try to stay. Yeah.

Catelin: I think the whole concept is so interesting because it's not something that you would find elsewhere, especially like the autonomy piece.

Catelin: It seems like a lot of And this again is from, you know, my, my days of trying to find internships, a lot of them seem to be more like job shadow than actual like tasks and autonomy and creative thinking.

Rich: Yep. Yeah. And I think part of it came about because sometimes with interns, like they can just work on stuff as if they're like a part time employee and that type of thing, but really it's about you learning something and understanding something and gaining some kind of experience or perspective.

Rich: Yep. And you don't always get that with just normal stuff. And sometimes like if the workload like is pretty light on design, we'll just be like, I don't know if we have anything for a design intern to do.

Catelin: All right. So

Rich: we wanted something that was like contained and its own and interesting and that you could like sink your teeth in.

Rich: Well and consistent

Catelin: too, right? Mm hmm. So that, that you are getting some value, the intern is getting some value, and We don't have to, like, invent tasks, like, ah, shit, Miriam's coming and we don't have anything for her to do. Like, yes.

Rich: So, did you go through Casey's notes? Um,

Miriam: I, I did. There was a PowerPoint that he left for future interns that, um, kind of makes sense.

Miriam: I've been trying to decipher it. Casey. Do you know Casey? Yes, yes, I can reach out to him. I

Rich: figured you, I mean, Monique's

Miriam: not

Rich: a huge school. Yeah. Um, he had fun with it. Um, he was like this old guy trying to do everything.

Catelin: Yeah.

Rich: Um, which was interesting. Um,

Catelin: so. Do you, yeah, I was like, do you feel like this kind of parlays into, um, What you see yourself doing.

Catelin: I think you and Megan were maybe talking about, like, agency versus not and what does that, what does that look like for you? It's okay if you don't know. I still don't know what I want to be when I grow up, so.

Miriam: But, well, this, um, this internship, I think, is gonna be really good for me no matter what direction I end up taking.

Miriam: Um, because, like you guys said, it's like I'm actually doing something. Um, instead of just, like, helping out with, uh, projects that are already ongoing. And that's how I learned. Like, I learned by doing. I have to get in there, like, get my hands in it. Absolutely. Yeah. Um, so I love that about it. Um, and yeah, it's just, it's a huge project, which, um, it's intimidating, but it's, it's good because I can see, like, all the different moving parts.

Miriam: And

Rich: it can be as big or as small as you want it to be, really. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you decided, like, Casey didn't redo any shirts, um, he thought about it. Um, but in the end, he was like, no, I want to focus on like the digital ads and the store design and he got into pricing and some of those things. I also

Catelin: think we didn't really have that much data on sales to know which were successful and which weren't.

Catelin: Yeah, so

Rich: this is the third year of the internship, but it's only, it just launched last summer. Like the store actually was alive last summer. Casey actually took it live.

Catelin: Yeah.

Rich: Um, Right before June. And so all of the pride shirts became a thing that he like put out there for summer. Um, but yeah, so there's really not a lot going on and we've had some decent sales.

Rich: I don't know. I think he sold 17 or 20 or 32 shirts. I don't know. It's, it's in there somewhere in Shopify.

Catelin: Some shirts. The

Rich: first one was wild though, like you'll get a rush for the first time somebody buys a shirt. You'll be like, that's awesome. I did

Catelin: that. What do you feel like happens after graduation?

Catelin: Is that still, no idea? I don't know.

Miriam: I'm sure I'll think of something though.

Rich: I had a job lined up actually at the college. Um, I had an offer. I was hired. I had a start date. And then they did a budget cut and all new positions were eliminated. And so I was like, you know, three weeks after graduation going, I don't have a job.

Rich: So I went back to my part time job. I, and I managed the pools in Sioux city, uh, for parks and rec. And then, um, then I got an advertising job that here I am.

Catelin: And the rest is history.

Rich: So you don't always have to know. And sometimes when you know, like somebody yanks that rug out from under you.

Catelin: Yeah. And I don't know, it's like, I have friends who have done.

Catelin: They went to law school, and then they're like, Actually, I hate being an attorney. This was a terrible waste of time and money. Whereas like, I picked Spanish and photography, and now this is the job I'm doing, after doing many other jobs. And so, it's like, you're not locked into anything, which is

Miriam: I'm sure I'm in like the right place, though.

Miriam: Um Like focus wise though, because I know graphic design is what I want to do.

Rich: Okay. Do you have an ideal? Like if what's your dream job, like let's just put it out there into the universe, see if we can make it happen.

Miriam: Do it.

Catelin: Let's manifest some stuff.

Miriam: Ooh. I think in the very far future, I'd like to be, um, like completely freelance, like run my own business.

Miriam: Wow. Kind of freelance. Yeah. But that's like nowhere, nowhere in the next like 10 years, maybe not even 20 years. But like I want, I want to build up a really solid base of, um, like experience before I try to branch out and do it on my own. Yeah.

Rich: Have a good portfolio where you can demand a nice fee and whatnot.

Catelin: Yes. And whatever you think your fee should be, it's more.

Rich: That is absolutely true. Especially as a freelancer. No, I see freelancers who are like, I'm 20 an hour. And I'm like, no, that's horrible.

Miriam: If

Rich: you're freelancing for less than 50 an hour, you're insane. Like, I just feel like you're, well, you're not insane.

Rich: You're selling yourself short, I should say. Mental health is important and I shouldn't use that as a negative. Um, but yeah, it's, it's just wild when I see that and I'm like, you charge 30 an hour? Okay. If I multiply that out, you know what? Your salary, your salary would be really tiny. Like that's just stupid.

Catelin: Well, and if you figure in all of your like costs of doing business, they see, we can, we'll write you a business plan when you're ready. Miriam, we'll just get you like a

Rich: hundred percent. One, you've got to pay your own taxes too, right? It's going to cost, you know. You're going to lose at least 30 percent just on taxes.

Rich: Yeah.

Catelin: No,

Rich: you're charging 30, you're really charging 20.

Catelin: Yeah,

Rich: that's only,

Catelin: that's only 10%.

Rich: So, what have you done so far? What have you been able to do? I know you've only been in here for like a couple weeks, a few days. But what have you, like, dug into so far, where you're at with the internship?

Miriam: So right now, um, I have gotten most of the preliminary, preliminary stuff out of the way.

Miriam: Um, and I've, like, really solidified my game plan, um, as for, like, art direction and what I want to do with the website. Um, so getting that, all that out of the way so I can work on what I actually want to do, which is designing the shirts. Um, so yeah, I'm just waiting on, um, some feedback from, um, some other team members and the other intern, and then, um, be ready to get going.

Rich: You know, for every shirt you add to the store, you've got to remove one, so you've got to kill one to put one in because they're I

Catelin: have 71. She's like, I have a cut list. I'm ready. I list, actually. Okay, well, don't cut my

Rich: favorite. So, I love the red barn. That's one of my favorite, and I love it on maroon. I have a good tone on the list.

Rich: Um,

Catelin: What's the second one you said? I'm sorry. I was listening to myself.

Rich: I just said Red Barn because I love a good tone on tone shirt. I like that one on a maroon shirt.

Catelin: Yeah.

Rich: Um, but I also have one of those, so kill it if you want to. Nobody else will have it then.

Catelin: What's the one, what's the one at the top of your list, Miriam?

Catelin: I want to know.

Miriam: Um, there's like seven of the shirts that have like three triangles right here. And they're all like almost the same with like one variant in color. So a couple of those at least can go.

Rich: Yep. And I think part of that is when you don't have enough designs and you need 71 just to be cool, like with the number,

Catelin: you do

Rich: variations.

Rich: It's in the

Catelin: name.

Rich: I do think that killing some of the variations makes sense. 100%.

Catelin: Yeah.

Rich: Um,

Catelin: well,

Rich: cool.

Catelin: What is the thing you're most excited about in the next, because how long are, how long are you with us? When's your Um, I graduate in

Miriam: May, so it's gonna be a couple more months. Okay. So usually

Rich: it's like mid to late April, because then you get into finals and all that, so you kind of have to be focused.

Catelin: I'm so sorry.

Rich: Blugh. So almost three months. Yeah. Two and a half months.

Catelin: Yeah. The one thing, the one thing, besides cutting the triangles.

Miriam: Ooh. Um, designing the shirts, honestly. Yeah.

Catelin: I'm excited to see what you come up with.

Rich: And that's not something that I do, like I can take somebody else's design and put it on merch, but I can't like do it myself.

Rich: Like it's, I don't design things from scratch at all. So, unless it's words,

Catelin: I

Rich: do have some Christmas shirts that just say, ho,

Catelin: and

Rich: there's also one that says bah, like bah humbug, but just

Miriam: bah.

Rich: And they're either green on red or red on green, but I've never sold them. They've never been in a store. Um,

Catelin: this could be your chance.

Catelin: I

Rich: don't know. It could be my chance. It could be my chance. Um,

Catelin: Dorothy didn't know how to say it. We watched a lot of Muppet Christmas and I think it was last year or two years ago. She might have just been two, but she would just say humbub.

Rich: Is that the Michael Caine one? What? No, the Michael Caine one was the, um, Yeah, that's Muppet.

Rich: So that was on Pop Culture Jeopardy as well, and he said, he told them, he's like, it was cause it was, um, this actor said he would portray his part in a Muppet Christmas Carol as if he were performing with the Royal Shakespeare Theatre. Yes, and he did.

Catelin: He did

Rich: and that was the one thing like people are like that made the movie like the fact that he it's perfect He's oblivious to them being straight.

Catelin: Yes, it's fantastic. So

Rich: good.

Catelin: We've actually talked about this like what other What other movies could we replace all but one character with Muppets? Or like, other moments? Yeah. So, think about that.

Rich: Wow. Okay, well, I think, um, we may have to approach that another time. Then we also, yeah, we also kind of

Catelin: decided that the villain is the straight man.

Catelin: Like the, like the, the, the character that is, like, 100 percent serious. So,

Rich: like, Top Gun, everybody's a Muppet except Iceman is still Val Kilmer?

Catelin: Yeah,

Rich: that could be

Catelin: fun.

Rich: It could be fun. Tom Cruise is a buppet? I don't

Catelin: know. Yeah. Oh, he could be,

Rich: he could be Gonzo. Gonzo flies. He's got the goggles.

Catelin: Alright. That actually makes a lot of sense for me.

Rich: So, me too. So, uh, Miriam, as we wrap up, any additional thoughts? Anything you want to tell people about your internship or about you or about us or whatever? Yes.

Miriam: Go to 71shirts. com and buy a shirt. We love a shameless plug. That's fantastic. She passed.

Rich: Um, you know what? We should. Just is disagreed. Here's what we'll do.

Rich: If you call in after this episode, um, and mention that you're calling in after this episode, we'll give you a free shirt. So the cocktail book's not doing it for people. We'll give you a free damn shirt from 71Shirts. We could give them both.

Catelin: Get a cocktail book and a shirt. We have

Rich: plenty. Um. Merch. All

Catelin: right.

Catelin: So anyway,

Rich: um, if you're listening and you've been thinking about calling in, we'll give you the number here, uh, in a couple of minutes.

Catelin: Pick your own of 71 shirts from either now or after Miriam adds her own designs.

Rich: Yeah. Thanks for For dealer shifter. Okay. So don't do it yet, but we'll get you a code for a free shirt.

Rich: You can wait until Marianne does new designs. And then when you see the new shirts at the top, buy those. Um, okay. Well, thank you. And thank you for being here. And I am excited to see when you get past the structured stuff we have for you to do, how the site and shirts evolve. It's always fun. It's really

Catelin: fun.

Catelin: As always, you can find us at podcast dot live. To send us a message and as we just discussed, if you leave us a voice message on our hotline at 4027189971, your question or comment will make it onto a future episode and you will be rewarded with not only a free t shirt and probably a free cocktail book, but our eternal gratitude.

Rich: Absolutely, so call us maybe. Oh my goodness. I know, I was trying but it just didn't work. Okay, so, um, I'm out. This was a great episode and I really, I always love the ones with the interns when we do our interviews. What's

Catelin: coming, what's coming up next?

Rich: We are going to do, um, apparently my choice, uh, from zero to hero, campaigns that turned it around.

Rich: So I believe, and Zach can correct me if I'm wrong, except he's pixelating, but these are probably brands that were having some issues and they launched a new campaign and Shit went north, uh, which is the good way to South is bad. Yeah. So things like turned around and took off for them. And this is going to be a really fun one.

Rich: Um, I've, I've actually done some of these where I've, I've turned around brands and seen brands turned around. I don't think we'll talk about those. Cause they're not that exciting. Um, But yeah, brands that turned it all around from zero to hero in no time flat.

Catelin: I was just going to say you have to sing the Hercules song.

Rich: Yeah.

Catelin: Zero to hero. Now I want to watch that. We're going to have Disney plots in there, I'm sure. We like that one. Oh yeah, we like that one at our house. All

Rich: right. Well, that's an episode, Caitlin. I think we're on time ish, so that hopefully won't be mad

Catelin: at us. Time is nothing. It doesn't mean anything. All right.

Catelin: See you next time.

Rich: All

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